Invisible letters?
Jan. 16th, 2011 10:37 amOk, I have a question.
I realize that in this giant country of ours, there are many regions and dialects. I get that in some places people have sofas, others there are couches, and sometimes even davenports.
I understand that in England, they say "torch" when we say "flashlight" and they refer to our elevators as lifts.
I really have no problem with interesting regional use of words.
Here's the problem, though:
Why do so many Americans deliberately mispronounce words? I mean, you have TV, you know that not everyone pronounces the word that way. Your parents may have mispronounced the word, but when you went to school you might have discovered that other people don't pronounce it that way, right?
For example, I had a babysitter who consistently pronounced the word "Orange" as "Oinge". No "r" whatsoever! The last time I spoke to her, she still said it that way despite the fact that her husband pronounces the "r" in orange, as do most of her peers.
But the worst example is this:
Wash.
Where the HELL did the "R" come from? Can someone please point me to the progression that brings us a variant of "wash" that includes a damned "R"?
"I got up this morning and realized that I had a lot of WARSHING to do, so I thought I'd start by WARSHING the dishes, then maybe WARSH some clothes."
Do WHAT to them? I have a coworker who does this constantly. I've tried to suggest that she might consider using the word "Launder" when she is talking about getting her clothing clean. "After all, 'launder' has a real 'r' in it." Nope. Launder is not in her vocabulary.
And this woman went to college, and has a master's degree. She used to work as an architect. She teaches classes in a wide variety of subjects.
Does this come from trying and failing to pronounce George Washington? I can see how a lazy mouth can get the "R" in George to come up in the "Washington."
Seriously. Can someone give me the documentation on this bizarre phenomenon?
By this same token, we all seem to pronounce Sherbet with an invisible "r" too. I've worked hard to pronounce it correctly, since I discovered that I'd been pronouncing it incorrectly. I also try to pronounce "February" correctly, though I do occasionally slip up when I am speaking in a hurry.
But the point is that when I realized that I was doing it wrong, I altered my speech accordingly. It's not difficult to do, really.
I realize that in this giant country of ours, there are many regions and dialects. I get that in some places people have sofas, others there are couches, and sometimes even davenports.
I understand that in England, they say "torch" when we say "flashlight" and they refer to our elevators as lifts.
I really have no problem with interesting regional use of words.
Here's the problem, though:
Why do so many Americans deliberately mispronounce words? I mean, you have TV, you know that not everyone pronounces the word that way. Your parents may have mispronounced the word, but when you went to school you might have discovered that other people don't pronounce it that way, right?
For example, I had a babysitter who consistently pronounced the word "Orange" as "Oinge". No "r" whatsoever! The last time I spoke to her, she still said it that way despite the fact that her husband pronounces the "r" in orange, as do most of her peers.
But the worst example is this:
Wash.
Where the HELL did the "R" come from? Can someone please point me to the progression that brings us a variant of "wash" that includes a damned "R"?
"I got up this morning and realized that I had a lot of WARSHING to do, so I thought I'd start by WARSHING the dishes, then maybe WARSH some clothes."
Do WHAT to them? I have a coworker who does this constantly. I've tried to suggest that she might consider using the word "Launder" when she is talking about getting her clothing clean. "After all, 'launder' has a real 'r' in it." Nope. Launder is not in her vocabulary.
And this woman went to college, and has a master's degree. She used to work as an architect. She teaches classes in a wide variety of subjects.
Does this come from trying and failing to pronounce George Washington? I can see how a lazy mouth can get the "R" in George to come up in the "Washington."
Seriously. Can someone give me the documentation on this bizarre phenomenon?
By this same token, we all seem to pronounce Sherbet with an invisible "r" too. I've worked hard to pronounce it correctly, since I discovered that I'd been pronouncing it incorrectly. I also try to pronounce "February" correctly, though I do occasionally slip up when I am speaking in a hurry.
But the point is that when I realized that I was doing it wrong, I altered my speech accordingly. It's not difficult to do, really.
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Date: 2011-01-16 05:33 pm (UTC)So many strange pronunciations can be blamed on the Welch, German, Autrian, etc that build the original town, or were the most recent immigrant labor that moved into an area for the local industry and stayed.
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Date: 2011-01-16 11:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-17 01:42 am (UTC)I was hoping to get some kind of plausible explanation for the imaginary "R" in Wash, specifically. It seems to appear all over the midwest. Gah.
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Date: 2011-01-17 02:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-16 06:14 pm (UTC)I also dislike it when people say, "li-berry."
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Date: 2011-01-18 03:35 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-01-16 08:22 pm (UTC)People say things weirdly. And say weird things. Funny lil' world, ain't it? ;)
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Date: 2011-01-16 11:55 pm (UTC)Not that a lot of St. Louisans use that anymore, but sometimes it'll infiltrate like ya'll does while still talking in a more standard American accent. That's my thought anyway.
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Date: 2011-01-17 03:20 am (UTC)English lost its singular "You" ages ago. We now use the plural "You" for both singular and plural. I think that's kind of a shame, so with the advent of "Y'all" (or even You All) I kind of approve. We get a distinctive plural "you" that we've been needing.
"Ain't" is obviously the contraction for "Am Not". So "I ain't going to the store" actually makes grammatical sense. On the other hand, "You ain't going to the store" makes NO sense.
Not that anyone who uses it pays attention or cares.
But adding "R"s where there aren't any? WTF?
I just want to know, specifically, WHY midwesterners say "Warsh". I see it in Illinois, Kansas, and Arkansas, as well as Missouri.
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Date: 2011-01-17 04:04 am (UTC)used to pronounce war with a hard "ar" until wrote a speech about the war on cultural illiteracy.
Li-berry my dad uses on purpose only! My parents never used WARSH as long as I have been alive. My gran warshes her undies in the zink. Then she goes to get a sodee from the frig-i-ator. Yes those are Grans words:) She also said things like "If you wanna run in the house, go out side!"
I get annoyed when I am in the break room and can not understand a thing coworkers are saying because they are butchering the language that much. But I have one who breaks stereotype in many ways... she uses some Afrocentric slang. Is white with Afro-am kids. MOST of her friends are Afro-am. And yet this woman does not slur her words, uses proper pronunciations unless it is a direct slang derivative, and residents can understand what she is saying, to someone else, from across the room. Many of my coworkers have to repeat a word 5 times to the face, slowly for a resident to understand.
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Date: 2011-01-18 06:02 pm (UTC)The Kinda are the telepathic native population of the planet Deva Loka.
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